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Bing bangs me from my search

Hi All,

After going through lot of discussions on BING vs Google i have started working on Bing however i have no clue as to why BING doesn't give the actual (exact) results....below is my string....

site:www.linkedin.com powered ("software engineer at") (intext:”my website” OR ”my resume” OR ”my profile” OR ”my portfolio”) "greater seattle area"

Am getting non individual profiles and also profiles from all over the world inspite of confining to seattle area

1. Does bing support country specific search? (Go to page3 and 3rd profile is from China....bing)

2. why is it showing directory

3. Can we use intext: command in Bing

4. Observed that bing doesn't support NOT / - operator as well if we use it multiple times, this may be because Bing will ignore them as stop words not sure though..I tweaked my search added / deleted but to of no use. I compared a search both in Google and bing (site suggested by Gary) but found 0 results in Bing while there are About 1,730 results in google

String: site:www.linkedin.com powered ("software engineer at") (intext:”my website” OR intext:”my resume” OR intext:”my profile” OR intext:”my portfolio”)

Guys would appreciate if any one can deep dive into this and sort this out as Google isn't identifying us as humans and Bing isn't supporting all the way to source....is there any other way we can prove ourselves that we are smarter than these two.....

Muralidhar

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Permalink Reply by Sarang Brahme on December 21, 2010 at 12:01am

Muralidhar: Good question. Let me try answer some of your points.

Firstly, Bing does not support intext; it has inbody.

You can view all Bing operators over here

http://onlinehelp.microsoft.com/en-us/bing/ff808421.aspx

It seems Bing does have location specific search operator

loc:US

There is a listed command on Bing which works just like inurl of Google in theory. inanchor... However, my experience says this does not work very well. In theory you can mention

(inanchor:pub OR inanchor:in) to get only profiles and avoid directories as much as possible.

Unfortunately BING does not seems to have any equivalent to -(NOT) operator. Hence, it means that we have to screen more for now... unless anyone else have a good trick.

For your query - this is what I've tried in Bing

site:www.linkedin.com powered ("software engineer at") (inbody:”my website” OR inbody:”my resume” OR inbody:”my profile” OR inbody:”my portfolio”) "greater seattle area" loc:US

I got around 180 results - mostly are from Seattle; however few are listed because their web pages reference have people names including Seattle. Mostly it works ok.

Now let's look at Google. This was more surprising for me

site:www.linkedin.com powered ("software engineer at") (intext:”my website” OR intext:”my resume” OR intext:”my profile” OR intext:”my portfolio”) (inurl:pub OR inurl:in) "greater seattle area" -dir

We have removed directory listings and added inurl:pub OR inurl:in (for only pure profiles). Results are around 50 only. However, we have removed directory results - as well as all results seems only of Greater Seattle area only. Your Google results seems to be over 1000 due to including dir listings....

View all Google operators at http://www.googleguide.com/advanced_operators.html#intext

Hope this helps.

Sarang Brahme

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Permalink Reply by K. Muralidhar on December 21, 2010 at 1:03am

That was a great input Sarang. However I do have some more questions.

Should we use powered as well as (inurl:in OR inurl:pub) / (inanchor:pub OR inanchor:in) both to get the LI profiles from Google / Bing respectively? So what is the need of powered?

Muralidhar

Sarang Brahme said:

Muralidhar: Good question. Let me try answer some of your points.

Firstly, Bing does not support intext; it has inbody.

You can view all Bing operators over here

http://onlinehelp.microsoft.com/en-us/bing/ff808421.aspx

It seems Bing does have location specific search operator

loc:US

There is a listed command on Bing which works just like inurl of Google in theory. inanchor... However, my experience says this does not work very well. In theory you can mention

(inanchor:pub OR inanchor:in) to get only profiles and avoid directories as much as possible.

Unfortunately BING does not seems to have any equivalent to -(NOT) operator. Hence, it means that we have to screen more for now... unless anyone else have a good trick.

For your query - this is what I've tried in Bing

site:www.linkedin.com powered ("software engineer at") (inbody:”my website” OR inbody:”my resume” OR inbody:”my profile” OR inbody:”my portfolio”) "greater seattle area" loc:US

I got around 180 results - mostly are from Seattle; however few are listed because their web pages reference have people names including Seattle. Mostly it works ok.

Now let's look at Google. This was more surprising for me

site:www.linkedin.com powered ("software engineer at") (intext:”my website” OR intext:”my resume” OR intext:”my profile” OR intext:”my portfolio”) (inurl:pub OR inurl:in) "greater seattle area" -dir

We have removed directory listings and added inurl:pub OR inurl:in (for only pure profiles). Results are around 50 only. However, we have removed directory results - as well as all results seems only of Greater Seattle area only. Your Google results seems to be over 1000 due to including dir listings....

View all Google operators at http://www.googleguide.com/advanced_operators.html#intext

Hope this helps.

Sarang Brahme

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Permalink Reply by Sarang Brahme on December 21, 2010 at 1:17am

Muralidhar:

In some cases if we use powered - it also take stemmed searches like power. Hence, we have to use "powered" in double codes. Additionally, we also may have cases like "x powered solutions" as company name OR used as generic keyword within profile.

I would rather prefer inurl:pub OR inurl:in. Just few pros and cons in using both of them....

There can't be a perfect solution - that's why human element is important in sourcing :)

Sarang

K. Muralidhar said:

That was a great input Sarang. However I do have some more questions.

Should we use powered as well as (inurl:in OR inurl:pub) / (inanchor:pub OR inanchor:in) both to get the LI profiles from Google / Bing respectively? So what is the need of powered?

Muralidhar

Sarang Brahme said:

Muralidhar: Good question. Let me try answer some of your points.

Firstly, Bing does not support intext; it has inbody.

You can view all Bing operators over here

http://onlinehelp.microsoft.com/en-us/bing/ff808421.aspx

It seems Bing does have location specific search operator

loc:US

There is a listed command on Bing which works just like inurl of Google in theory. inanchor... However, my experience says this does not work very well. In theory you can mention

(inanchor:pub OR inanchor:in) to get only profiles and avoid directories as much as possible.

Unfortunately BING does not seems to have any equivalent to -(NOT) operator. Hence, it means that we have to screen more for now... unless anyone else have a good trick.

For your query - this is what I've tried in Bing

site:www.linkedin.com powered ("software engineer at") (inbody:”my website” OR inbody:”my resume” OR inbody:”my profile” OR inbody:”my portfolio”) "greater seattle area" loc:US

I got around 180 results - mostly are from Seattle; however few are listed because their web pages reference have people names including Seattle. Mostly it works ok.

Now let's look at Google. This was more surprising for me

site:www.linkedin.com powered ("software engineer at") (intext:”my website” OR intext:”my resume” OR intext:”my profile” OR intext:”my portfolio”) (inurl:pub OR inurl:in) "greater seattle area" -dir

We have removed directory listings and added inurl:pub OR inurl:in (for only pure profiles). Results are around 50 only. However, we have removed directory results - as well as all results seems only of Greater Seattle area only. Your Google results seems to be over 1000 due to including dir listings....

View all Google operators at http://www.googleguide.com/advanced_operators.html#intext

Hope this helps.

Sarang Brahme

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Permalink Reply by K. Muralidhar on December 21, 2010 at 2:40am

Thanks a lot for your thoughts and inputs.....

Murali
Sarang Brahme said:

Muralidhar:

In some cases if we use powered - it also take stemmed searches like power. Hence, we have to use "powered" in double codes. Additionally, we also may have cases like "x powered solutions" as company name OR used as generic keyword within profile.

I would rather prefer inurl:pub OR inurl:in. Just few pros and cons in using both of them....

There can't be a perfect solution - that's why human element is important in sourcing :)

Sarang

K. Muralidhar said:

That was a great input Sarang. However I do have some more questions.

Should we use powered as well as (inurl:in OR inurl:pub) / (inanchor:pub OR inanchor:in) both to get the LI profiles from Google / Bing respectively? So what is the need of powered?

Muralidhar

Sarang Brahme said:

Muralidhar: Good question. Let me try answer some of your points.

Firstly, Bing does not support intext; it has inbody.

You can view all Bing operators over here

http://onlinehelp.microsoft.com/en-us/bing/ff808421.aspx

It seems Bing does have location specific search operator

loc:US

There is a listed command on Bing which works just like inurl of Google in theory. inanchor... However, my experience says this does not work very well. In theory you can mention

(inanchor:pub OR inanchor:in) to get only profiles and avoid directories as much as possible.

Unfortunately BING does not seems to have any equivalent to -(NOT) operator. Hence, it means that we have to screen more for now... unless anyone else have a good trick.

For your query - this is what I've tried in Bing

site:www.linkedin.com powered ("software engineer at") (inbody:”my website” OR inbody:”my resume” OR inbody:”my profile” OR inbody:”my portfolio”) "greater seattle area" loc:US

I got around 180 results - mostly are from Seattle; however few are listed because their web pages reference have people names including Seattle. Mostly it works ok.

Now let's look at Google. This was more surprising for me

site:www.linkedin.com powered ("software engineer at") (intext:”my website” OR intext:”my resume” OR intext:”my profile” OR intext:”my portfolio”) (inurl:pub OR inurl:in) "greater seattle area" -dir

We have removed directory listings and added inurl:pub OR inurl:in (for only pure profiles). Results are around 50 only. However, we have removed directory results - as well as all results seems only of Greater Seattle area only. Your Google results seems to be over 1000 due to including dir listings....

View all Google operators at http://www.googleguide.com/advanced_operators.html#intext

Hope this helps.

Sarang Brahme

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Permalink Reply by Dave Galley on December 22, 2010 at 2:50pm

First, Bing DOES support the boolean "not" operator, as well as "-" as a substitute. How well it works is another issue, but the BQL includes those operators for sure.

Your Questions:

1) Sort of, using "loc" operator. However, this is not particularly needful for your LI x-raying purposes, as you can include the "greater seattle area" term to limit by location.

2) I don't know, that is strange. However, I must assume (and my limited investigation supports this hypothesis) it is because the term "powered" appears somewhere on one of those directory pages. Try "powered by" instead, should remove those.

3) I believe, as others have noted, that "inbody" is the relevant command on Bing.

4) Can you provide an example? I tried this with "red -blue -yellow -green -orange -purple -black -indigo -cyan" and didn't notice any issues.

Other Notes:

Be careful of Bing search term / string length limits, be sure your syntax is right.

For instance, replacing your intext string with correct inbody syntax:

"greater seattle area" powered ("software engineer at") site:linkedin.com (inbody:”my website” OR

inbody:”my resume” OR inbody:”my profile” OR inbody:”my portfolio”)

Bing gives you ~160 results that appear to meet your criteria.

I would drop the "www" when using the site operator. This forces it to search US LInkedIn only. There may be candidates who created their profiles on non-US linkedin despite currently living in the greater seattle area, so you will miss those in that case.

I was a bit surprised that:

"greater seattle area" "public profile powered by" "software engineer"

Turned up only 13 results. Clearly, Bing has indexed 150+ more pages that we know match these criteria, but it doesn't find them using these terms!

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Permalink Reply by K. Muralidhar on December 22, 2010 at 11:31pm

Hi Dave,

Wish u a Happy Christmas. Thanks for your inputs...

ON " - " Operator

Here is my string:

site:linkedin.com "powered by" ("software engineer at") (inbody:”my website” OR inbody:”my resume” OR inbody:”my profile” OR inbody:”my portfolio”) "greater seattle area" -test -lockheed -biotechnology -infospace -market -solution -leader

I just try to exclude adding one by one and when i finally added -market -solution-leader i am getting the same no of results ~129 and profiles with these terms are still showin in the results.....

Do we have any search limit in Bing as well just like 32 words for google?

Even with limiting location to "greater seattle area" and even adding loc:US we still come across profiles which are out of seattle n US as well...

is there any better way to do LI X-ray search and get max positive results from BING..

Murali

Dave G. said:

First, Bing DOES support the boolean "not" operator, as well as "-" as a substitute. How well it works is another issue, but the BQL includes those operators for sure.

Your Questions:

1) Sort of, using "loc" operator. However, this is not particularly needful for your LI x-raying purposes, as you can include the "greater seattle area" term to limit by location.

2) I don't know, that is strange. However, I must assume (and my limited investigation supports this hypothesis) it is because the term "powered" appears somewhere on one of those directory pages. Try "powered by" instead, should remove those.

3) I believe, as others have noted, that "inbody" is the relevant command on Bing.

4) Can you provide an example? I tried this with "red -blue -yellow -green -orange -purple -black -indigo -cyan" and didn't notice any issues.

Other Notes:

Be careful of Bing search term / string length limits, be sure your syntax is right.

For instance, replacing your intext string with correct inbody syntax:

"greater seattle area" powered ("software engineer at") site:linkedin.com (inbody:”my website” OR

inbody:”my resume” OR inbody:”my profile” OR inbody:”my portfolio”)

Bing gives you ~160 results that appear to meet your criteria.

I would drop the "www" when using the site operator. This forces it to search US LInkedIn only. There may be candidates who created their profiles on non-US linkedin despite currently living in the greater seattle area, so you will miss those in that case.

I was a bit surprised that:

"greater seattle area" "public profile powered by" "software engineer"

Turned up only 13 results. Clearly, Bing has indexed 150+ more pages that we know match these criteria, but it doesn't find them using these terms!